Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71C1B918 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 21:55:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (homie.mail.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.208]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A5261F9 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 21:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A881284081; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 14:55:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=taoeffect.com; h=from :content-type:mime-version:subject:message-id:date:references:to :in-reply-to; s=taoeffect.com; bh=TRfJZryd26JDupDXxhnEnjFtJ+w=; b=r1wRdjQ58w9dmYIuDohSxQjtbNHj1555VN27j2Hn1F37KXRMbhbaeCQSXtKnN Hzafaw7jz5dM6+wf/bZZxnhDxWcu/7nXba8S1qV32N8H0IKbQUlcgj8Q2Kd29wbP uT6/jQgeH+SY9Ta3zHIJ94pzalhttRZFYK5JbimsEAiM0s= Received: from [192.168.42.67] (184-23-252-118.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net [184.23.252.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: contact@taoeffect.com) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6597E28406C; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 14:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tao Effect Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_385E1FED-1DD1-4F5C-9C3B-9E2F91F159E1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 521589339.393234-d63336855e59449991c88660b119b75c Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <2AB8B976-5E62-4B1A-9B1B-0109EA4F606F@taoeffect.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 14:55:39 -0700 References: <0119661e-a11a-6d4b-c9ec-fd510bd4f144@gmail.com> <1c1d06a9-2e9f-5b2d-42b7-d908ada4b09e@gmail.com> <08078429-089f-9315-2f76-a08121c5378c@gmail.com> <26FE0468-7049-4BE0-948F-D5E40FE2CBAC@taoeffect.com> <18A9E11A-07B2-48B4-B4E7-66A563A97A13@taoeffect.com> <37ed4927-d13b-f34d-a13c-9aaa55ea426b@gmail.com> To: CryptAxe , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion In-Reply-To: <37ed4927-d13b-f34d-a13c-9aaa55ea426b@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:28:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Updating the Scaling Roadmap X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 21:55:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_385E1FED-1DD1-4F5C-9C3B-9E2F91F159E1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A85A2098-3D23-455C-A55D-47211D7081F0" --Apple-Mail=_A85A2098-3D23-455C-A55D-47211D7081F0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's a fair point, I confused anyone-can-spend with anyone-can-pay = [1]. Isn't it different in the case of P2SH and SegWit, don't full nodes = validate the script? In other words, miners don't have complete control over the coins, full = nodes keep a check on them. At least that was my understanding, and if that's not the case then it = doesn't make sense to me why Pieter would earlier in this thread object = to Drivechain on the grounds that it's a different security model. - Greg [1] = https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@jl777/bitcoin-spinoff-fork-how-to-make-a-clea= n-fork-without-any-replay-attack-and-no-blockchain-visible-changes = -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also = sharing with the NSA. > On Jul 12, 2017, at 12:54 PM, CryptAxe via bitcoin-dev = > wrote: >=20 > Are we just pulling numbers out of thin air now? https://p2sh.info/ = BIP16 for example is widely used. It would be = difficult to find a single wallet that doesn't support BIP16 I have no = idea what you are talking about. >=20 > On 07/12/2017 12:42 PM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev wrote: >> ... >> In the present situation, anyone-can-spend outputs are used by = probably less than 0.1% of users, and most software doesn't even allow = for the possibility. >>=20 >> In Drivechain it's *encouraged-by-design*! >>=20 >> - Greg >>=20 >> -- >> Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also = sharing with the NSA. >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org = > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev --Apple-Mail=_A85A2098-3D23-455C-A55D-47211D7081F0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii That's a fair point, I confused anyone-can-spend = with anyone-can-pay [1].

Isn't it different in the case of P2SH and SegWit, don't full = nodes validate the script?

In other words, miners don't have complete control over the = coins, full nodes keep a check on them.

At least that was my understanding, and = if that's not the case then it doesn't make sense to me why Pieter would = earlier in this thread object to Drivechain on the grounds that it's a = different security model.

- Greg
[1] https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@jl777/bitcoin-spinoff-fork-how-to-= make-a-clean-fork-without-any-replay-attack-and-no-blockchain-visible-chan= ges

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On Jul 12, 2017, at 12:54 PM, CryptAxe via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

=20 =20

Are = we just pulling numbers out of thin air now? https://p2sh.info/ BIP16 for example is = widely used. It would be difficult to find a single wallet that doesn't support BIP16 I have no idea what you are talking about.


On 07/12/2017 12:42 PM, Tao Effect = via bitcoin-dev wrote:
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In the present situation, anyone-can-spend outputs are used by probably less than 0.1% of users, and most software doesn't even allow for the possibility.

In Drivechain it's *encouraged-by-design*!

- Greg

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