Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61054305 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:53:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from outmail149078.authsmtp.net (outmail149078.authsmtp.net [62.13.149.78]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE011CB for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-c235.authsmtp.com (mail-c235.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.235]) by punt17.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t5UErE4k062718; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:53:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from savin.petertodd.org (75-119-251-161.dsl.teksavvy.com [75.119.251.161]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t5UErA8F039093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:53:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:53:09 -0400 From: Peter Todd To: Chris Pacia Message-ID: <20150630145309.GC17984@savin.petertodd.org> References: <20150629050726.GA502@savin.petertodd.org> <5591E10F.9000008@thinlink.com> <20150630013736.GA11508@savin.petertodd.org> <55929E7F.8020301@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H8ygTp4AXg6deix2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <55929E7F.8020301@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Server-Quench: bb4d1b49-1f37-11e5-b396-002590a15da7 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aAdMdQIUEkAaAgsB AmMbWlFeVV57WGA7 bA9PbARUfEhLXhtr VklWR1pVCwQmRRlk c1xvWm9ydAxGcX0+ bEZqWj4JDkAudBR5 S1NVQ24BeGZhPWUC AkNRcR5UcAFPdx8U a1UrBXRDAzANdhEy HhM4ODE3eDlSNhEd aCA1fxo8XEIPVgQx XxQLFjhqF1xAaSg+ ZxArMlobDUMcNFl6 KlAhVF4FNxJ6 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1023:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 75.119.251.161/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP: Full Replace-by-Fee deployment schedule X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:53:18 -0000 --H8ygTp4AXg6deix2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 09:49:51AM -0400, Chris Pacia wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 06/30/2015 09:12 AM, Adam Back wrote: > > It is correct to view first-seen miner and relay policy as > > honour-based, though it is the current default. > > > > > What would be the effect of IBLT on the first seen policy? It seems that > if a miner has to broadcast extra data with his blocks because he's > using full RBF and everyone else is using first-seen then his blocks are > at a disadvantage in terms of propagation. That wouldn't make first-seen > a hard consensus rule, but rather one rational miners are likely to > follow. Or is this effect likely to be minimal? The disadvantage can be calculated compensated for by higher fees; if the disadvantage is so large that the higher fees are unaffordable we're in big trouble as the guarantees that mempools are in sync are pretty poor. (why doublespending zeroconf txs is easy!) For instance, that'd imply that sending two simultaneous transactions will cause profit losses to all but the largest miners - who are unaffected - and that upgrades that change IsStandard() will cause profit losses, among many other problems. Bitcoin just doesn't work if blocks aren't relayed quickly in the worst case. --=20 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org 00000000000000000c51793e1f2f6b9bd82dd1579b3e4207e70a0aa8fb953c80 --H8ygTp4AXg6deix2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGrBAEBCACVBQJVkq1RXhSAAAAAABUAQGJsb2NraGFzaEBiaXRjb2luLm9yZzAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwYzUxNzkzZTFmMmY2YjliZDgyZGQxNTc5YjNlNDIwN2U3 MGEwYWE4ZmI5NTNjODAvFIAAAAAAFQARcGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JncGV0 ZUBwZXRlcnRvZC5vcmcACgkQJIFAPaXwkfvKoAf+IbVqL/Rvfw9x7ezS19DyhsBI K0NS0CfLTP26En07cmyjvDd4Z4IR0fNztnob9ze9b+yW8Bkgn058jHclNYoNH7me 5emvYJEvmCb/puvHLdc/2Tg6dONzdliiw6oMj6HwwPZNKKkY+Z4lwHZ26NXamGFA eKylAl4RoQ2ZmuT4rqRa4v96NdGsuaVgX7CAleBNpmBPp4ktK1gxQvM5AF9YOcWL xEAQDwiTt5Nopvs1lcdGsnBuVmOeN3TPmm4nbADiyegHgAGFW86WuLda+UnYlXkq j72v7sG5gDbqotMShMlKiQLqJehAI6uR2dzddk3Qe36eqb6YcVuThcyBWBiUUA== =Tgvn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H8ygTp4AXg6deix2--